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**Swattie's Wife** · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jaytanz

I have been in federal law enforcement for the majority of my adult life. So, I have never had to endure the process that a non-law enforcement person must in order to carry a gun. I grew up in NY, so I do understand it is not easy. Now, maybe I misunderstood the full intent of the message I was initially responding to, but I don't think that every law abiding citizen has the capacity to use a gun and therefore should not just own one because they can. My point is simply that, not everyone has the mental, physical, maturity-level, etc to own a gun. There needs to be a process to ensure proper training and care (locking them away from children) for those law-abiding citizens that do choose to own a gun. But the process and laws in general do nothing to stop people like the "gentleman" Swattie's Wife encountered.

Let me get this right...You have been in "federal law enforcement for the majority of your adult life" yet you have no clue what a person has to go through to get their CCL. I find that quite odd. BEFORE you even get to the point of getting your CCL you MUST attend AND PASS the class. The class covers everything. And if you say you are in "federal law enforcement" like you say than you KNOW that the CCL classes HAVE to cover everything besides having a background check completed. Their is a reason why their is a question about being in a mental hospital or have ever seen a shrink. And about "locking them away from children". IF you teach a child about guns and to respect them they won't mess with them. I grew up with them and yes they were loaded and NO I never messed with them. I was used to seeing them in the corner in the livingroom it was no big deal. My husband was the same way. His GrandDaddy taught him everything about guns when he started shooting at the age of 8. I know that when we have grandkids we will do the same thing. I believe that if you lock up the gun when at home would be the same as someone NOT having a gun. Even when I have my daycare kids over (like now) I have my gun on my person. Criminals will do whatever they can to get a gun/weapon and I refuse to be one of those people who depends on other people for safety. Anyone can learn how to use a gun. And I DON'T believe in keeping the gun "here" and the ammo over "there"---you might as well tell the "perp" to shoot you now because by the time you get it loaded you will be dead.

**TimothyJ** · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Jaytanz

I have been in federal law enforcement for the majority of my adult life. So, I have never had to endure the process that a non-law enforcement person must in order to carry a gun. I grew up in NY, so I do understand it is not easy. Now, maybe I misunderstood the full intent of the message I was initially responding to, but I don't think that every law abiding citizen has the capacity to use a gun and therefore should not just own one because they can. My point is simply that, not everyone has the mental, physical, maturity-level, etc to own a gun. There needs to be a process to ensure proper training and care (locking them away from children) for those law-abiding citizens that do choose to own a gun. But the process and laws in general do nothing to stop people like the "gentleman" Swattie's Wife encountered.

Oh I see what you mean now. Gotcha. Agreed.

**TimothyJ** · 07-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Swattie's Wife

I was used to seeing them in the corner in the livingroom it was no big deal.

Negligence.

Edit: Just so it is clear, I edited the quote so you can specifically see what I was calling "negligence"

Educating your children about firearms is cool and all. It was just the whole "Lol, I leave loaded firearms in plain sight, not-out-of-reach, unattended, and I have children" thing that bothered me. (It also kind of "bothers" the justice system. When I have time I'll find an example case.)

**Swattie** · 07-01-2008

Actually I was raised the same way. Grandaddy kept loaded guns in the corner, and he even showed me where the revolvers were and how to load them. I never EVER touched those guns without permission. And Wife had it wrong. I have been shooting since I was 6 years old, not 8.

If you are raised around them you respect them. You do not see them as a toy, you do respect the damage they can do and the life they can take.

**GrahamX05** · 07-01-2008

100% pro-gun!!

**Jaytanz** · 07-02-2008

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Originally Posted by Swattie's Wife

Let me get this right...You have been in "federal law enforcement for the majority of your adult life" yet you have no clue what a person has to go through to get their CCL. I find that quite odd. BEFORE you even get to the point of getting your CCL you MUST attend AND PASS the class. The class covers everything. And if you say you are in "federal law enforcement" like you say than you KNOW that the CCL classes HAVE to cover everything besides having a background check completed. Their is a reason why their is a question about being in a mental hospital or have ever seen a shrink. And about "locking them away from children". IF you teach a child about guns and to respect them they won't mess with them. I grew up with them and yes they were loaded and NO I never messed with them. I was used to seeing them in the corner in the livingroom it was no big deal. My husband was the same way. His GrandDaddy taught him everything about guns when he started shooting at the age of 8. I know that when we have grandkids we will do the same thing. I believe that if you lock up the gun when at home would be the same as someone NOT having a gun. Even when I have my daycare kids over (like now) I have my gun on my person. Criminals will do whatever they can to get a gun/weapon and I refuse to be one of those people who depends on other people for safety. Anyone can learn how to use a gun. And I DON'T believe in keeping the gun "here" and the ammo over "there"---you might as well tell the "perp" to shoot you now because by the time you get it loaded you will be dead.

Yes, that is correct. As a federal law enforcement officer I carry worldwide on my credentials, I've never had to go through the "civilian" process. Additionally, as a federal agent, I follow the executive order that requires I use a trigger lock or other device when my weapon is not in my own direct control. My children know that my gun is not a toy, and never to "mess with it", but I would never leave it laying in the corner.

**redbird** · 07-02-2008

I think non LEO's should be able to carry.Usually it is too late and tragic to figure out which ones should not.Hard to tell sometimes who is carrying for self defense or malicious purposes.A thorough background check may be the only hint of future use of a firearm.

**Swattie** · 07-02-2008

As far as the guns in the corner....I, and Wife, were both raised in the country. You needed guns nearby for protection especially from coyotes or wolves. But we respected them and NEVER touched them without permission. Other parents these days let TV and strangers teach their children. That is why the societal decline we have been experiencing.

**Swattie's Wife** · 07-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Jaytanz

Yes, that is correct. As a federal law enforcement officer I carry worldwide on my credentials, I've never had to go through the "civilian" process. Additionally, as a federal agent, I follow the executive order that requires I use a trigger lock or other device when my weapon is not in my own direct control. My children know that my gun is not a toy, and never to "mess with it", but I would never leave it laying in the corner.

I would hate to imagine what would have happened to my son if he wouldn't have been able to grab one of our guns to protect himself when someone tried to break in when we were gone.