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**dsc15infantry** · 02-26-2008

The Department Of The Army Police and any other DOD civilian LE department is a joke. I don't mean to insult anyone, however there should be higher standards that they are held to. The Military Police Corp is a proud and historic group. I honestly do believe that once the current deployments are through or downsized many of these DOD police officers will be looking for new jobs. Which will be hard for them to do. Most of these DAPs are retired either Military or Civ. Law Enforcement officers as it is. The biggest thing about the military no matter what branch it is, is that we police our own. Most soldiers and dependents don't want anything to do with the DAPs. For community relations or just even protecting their streets. They would rather deal with MPs. Being military I have worked closely with the DAPs and feel they are very unqualified, terribly out of shape, and very unprofessional. I would be willing to bet that if you were to ask any service member they would tell you that the DAPs are a waste of tax payer dollars, and would much rather deal with Military Police. To add to this why would the DOD hire civilians to do a job that has always been done by MPs. I understand the growing need for man power during war time. So when recruits show up at MEPS they just attempt to find more qualified MPs. Civilians have no business attempting to police up military. This is the job of the Military Police Corp. I hold civilian law enforcment agencies in the highest reguard, the DOD police are no more then glorified security. So let the job be done by who it has always been done successfully by: The Military Police Corps of the respected branches.

**redbird** · 02-27-2008

Sir Yes Sir

**redbird** · 03-24-2008

I am good to go..

**JPhillips** · 03-25-2008

I have some family members that are DOD LE. I have to admit that some of that is true but some of those mp's don't have it all together neither. Now, they are making the DOD LE pass a PT test.

**RookieGirl** · 03-25-2008

I am one of the those people that work with civilian military police officer. Some of these guys are former civilian police officers.

**Boner** · 08-21-2008

I feel for ya. I am employed with the Department of Veterans Affairs as a Police Officer and can pretty much play the devils advocate on this one. I was an M.P. for 12 years and worked mostly L E (yea, shammer) and fully agree with infantry. A drunken private is going to show alot more respect to an M.P. in duty uniform then they will a DOA Cop (for the most part). The main problem I have seen with MP's is that their are a few kinds. 1. The 18 year old super cop who thinks they are above all (Don't confuse your rank with my authority), 2. A spineless weenie who lets an E-5 walk all over them like they are dirt. and 3. a seasoned soldier that knows the ropes. I think a properly trained squared away DOA Cop would be a good asset to any installation because they wont be as intimidated by an O-3 who's mouthing off to them. Geeze, I'm all over the place with this one (late night ranting I guess). I believe the Military Police need two MOS's. Combat Support MP's and LE MP's. New privates should pull C.S. for their first enlistment and become L.E. once they become E-5's. That would eliminate alot of problems. Give them the option to become L.E. and send them to a proper Military Police academy where they learn more civilian law enforcement tactics. But thats just my own opinion. This would greatly increase enlistment options and hopefully improve retention problems. OK, I'm done for now. Thanks for listening. I am Boner and I approve this message.

**futuretrooper?** · 01-13-2009

Can't argue with the premise here but a look at OPTEMPO for MP units is the driving force behind contracted security. Back and forth and back and forth to Iraq with a summer break in Afghanistan (tongue in cheek) but not far off the mark. Civilian contractors are assuming a LOT of roles in the Army formerly handled by the Soldiers. It's a double edged sword, yes it is a break for the Soldiers while in garrison and deployed to have civilians do a lot of things but temporary habits and policies in the services have a way of becoming the permanent way of business.

**DACP**

I think it is completely unfair for you to judge all DACP's on a few. I work with DACP's and almost every single one is prior military. Some are retired military, some are in their 20's, early 30's and just got out of the military. They have a military ethic if you will and they know all about how the military works and its structure. So if our DACP are glorified security than since they are all prior service than MP's must be glorified security guards too. To say civilians can't or shouldn't police military is absurd. Civilians live on post and are policed by military so why is the reverse so hard to understand? With the wars overseas people are not joining the military like they used to and people are getting out faster. Without the DACP there would be no policing on post because many of the MPs are deployed. The DACP I work with have "done their time" they have served overseas and bring tons of experience and share that with the few that haven't. Yes there have been growing pains in the conversion from MPs to civilians but that would be the case in any organization that has a massive change over. I would gladly stand next, infront of or behind any of the ones i work with. In every organization there are "bad seeds" and we have had more MPs getting in trouble, even arrested and not a single civilian. Do not stereotype, do not judge, you may be looking for a job one day.


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